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5-28-2013 - Dell Cloud Client Computing Update
| Dell TechCenter | Welcome to the Dell Cloud Client computing chat |
| Dell TechCenter | hello michael D |
| MichaelD | Afternoon, how goes it |
| Dell TechCenter | @MichaelD - going well, how about for your self? |
| Dell TechCenter | Hello Tim M |
| Dell TechCenter | Hello Tom |
| MichaelD | Pretty good, trying to stay busy while waiting to deploy vCloud |
| hypervfan | Hi |
| Dell TechCenter | We're getting set up on our side, please give us 3 minutes before we get started with our chat |
| Dell TechCenter | First of all, how familiar are you all with Dell Desktop Virtualization ? |
| MichaelD | Minimally, talked about the hosted (non-XenDesktop) solution some with our account rep a few months back. |
| Dell TechCenter | @hyperfan - how about you Tom, do you deal much with Desktop Virtualization? |
| hypervfan | Getting some questions about it, but for now the cost has been to high |
| Dell TechCenter | I see. |
| hypervfan | But always open for new solutions :) |
| MichaelD | Cost is definitely a factor, best case scenario without sacrificing user experience you spend the same as giving out individual desktops. |
| Dell TechCenter | Well today you'll both have a chance to learn more about Dell Desktop Virtualization |
| Dell TechCenter | we have 2 Dell experts with us today |
| Dell TechCenter | Rafael is the Director of Marketing - Desktop Virtualization Solutions |
| Dell TechCenter | Rick is the Solutions development manager for Dell DVS |
| Dell TechCenter | they'll be sharing a powerpoint presentation relating to Citrix XenDesktop, chatting with you guys today, and answering any questions you may have |
| MichaelD | But the extra management tools you gain, and the ability to work from anywhere while keeping data in the DC is worth it IMO |
| Dell TechCenter | with that I'll turn it over to Rafael, who will lead our chat today |
| Rafael - Dell | Last week we had a very good show; one of our solution won the product of the year award |
| Rafael - Dell | the award was one of many end to end Desktop Virtualization solutions launched |
| Dell TechCenter | @MichaelD - are you guys seriously considering a Desktop Virtualization solution, or just investigating at this point? |
| MichaelD | We've had 100 virtual lab seats deployed for about 3 years now, plus a few one off pilots with other departments |
| Dell TechCenter | @hypervfan - are many of your customers implementing Desktop Virtualization solutions? |
| Rafael - Dell | Dell Cloud Client Computing is a team within Dell dedicated to Desktop Virtualization Solutions |
| MichaelD | All using XenDesktop on XenServer; most likely moving to View this fall due to licensing costs. |
| Rafael - Dell | good, we offer both alternatives XenDesktop and View. |
| Rafael - Dell | The reason for considering migrating to View is only cost? |
| hypervfan | More and more are looking into, for now mainly XenDesktop |
| MichaelD | Yes, we had a committee see presentations by both vendors and they have decided the cost difference is too great to not switch. |
| Rafael - Dell | We have seen an update in the adoption of Desktop Virtualization during the last months |
| MichaelD | Even with adding Unidesk into the mix with View, the cost difference is over 50% less with View. |
| Rafael - Dell | hyperfan, I agree with you. In the graphic you will se my view of the reason of this accelerated adoptoin |
| MichaelD | From a tech perspective, I see both as good solutions. |
| hypervfan | And quite a few of them choose to use Hyper-V as hypervisor for it |
| Rafael - Dell | I agree, we offer both solutions and support what the customers need |
| Rafael - Dell | We also support Hyper-V in fact next week you will see in TecEd some good MS server support announcements |
| Dell TechCenter | @MichaelD - interesting numbers. that's a big difference |
| Rafael - Dell | Michael, are your plans to start with a small deployment and then scale up? |
| Rafael - Dell | you can dee more details at dell.com/virtualdesktop |
| Dell TechCenter | www.dell.com/virtualdesktop |
| MichaelD | Our plans are really driven by the demands of other business units and colleges. This spring we started rolling out desktops to one of our administrative units and hope to see more of that in the future. |
| Rafael - Dell | we see that some of the most relevant benefits of desktop virtualization are security and primarly optimization of IT resources |
| MichaelD | @Dell TechCenter - We were expecting some cost difference, but more in the 1-5% area. |
| Dell TechCenter | hello cmendoza, thanks for joining. you can see our entire chat up to this point by scrolling up |
| Rafael - Dell | Michael, you are right, we see this behavior in many of our engagements. Start small and then scale up |
| MichaelD | A key driver for our initial deployment of VDI was the H1N1 flu scare a few years back. We didn't want sick students going to class/campus, but also didn't want to prevent them from getting their classwork done. |
| Rafael - Dell | that is why we created the Integrated sotorage solution. It is a low cost solution based on a single R720 |
| cmendoza@paqinc.com | hello to all |
| Dell TechCenter | @MichaelD - sounds like you got a sweetheart discount |
| Dell TechCenter | @MichaelD - that's a very cool story & use case |
| Rafael - Dell | Michel this is a very good driver of adoption. Prevention of natural disasters are always a reason to consider VDI |
| Dell TechCenter | @Rafael - besides disasters, what are some other adoption drivers for Desktop Virtualization ? |
| Rafael - Dell | the integrated storage solution announced last week was created to address the needs of customers that want to start small and then grow to high volume deployments |
| Tim M. | As part of the Quest acquisition, do you have any free tools that we can run on a VM to see what apps might not play well in a VDI environment? Such as those that are high on the IOPs or CPU intensive? |
| MichaelD | We've had a few hiccups along the way, but mostly with applications (licensing largely, many vendors are ignorant to VDI) and the XenServer hypervisor. |
| Rafael - Dell | In a single server we integrate the manegement and VDI VMs |
| Rafael - Dell | Tim. Typically If the manufacturer of the application certify it into an hypervisor. I am not aware of any tool that allow to do that |
| Tim M. | ok....our implementation right now is a one to one basis so our apps are installed on the VM. |
| MichaelD | Citrix's AppDNA might be what you're looking for if it's not an inhouse app. - http://www.citrix.com/products/appdna/overview.html |
| MichaelD | but it's only valid for Citrix Solutions |
| Rafael - Dell | For non persisten environmnets this is correct. one to one relation is good for persistent environments |
| MichaelD | What has been Dell's experience using Citrix's Personal Virtual Disks introduced with XD-5 ? |
| Tim M. | We are running Win7 VMs but we ran into a problem with the VHDs growing with an idle OS so we have some lessons learned. |
| Rafael - Dell | PV disk allows persistentcy so you can allocate personal storage to each user. Our experience is positive.. need to watch density |
| Rafael - Dell | Typically we deplloy PV disk volumes in tier two storage |
| Rafael - Dell | one of the main issues we have seen with VDI deployments is the complexity of managing many components of the |
| Rafael - Dell | so we created a pre-configured pre-tested solutions that are easier to deploy |
| Rafael - Dell | this graphic represents the components of our Cloud Client Computing solution. |
| Rafael - Dell | servers, storage and networking combined with Dell Wyse end points, virtualization software and services |
| Tim M. | Is anyone familiar with the Wyse terminals? Non-VDI related....We use them running Windows Embedded for kiosk solutions. The pricing of them though sure is pretty high. We used the Dell fx170 and those were really compact and got the job done. |
| Rafael - Dell | good to hear that you are using Dell products. With the acquisition of Wyse we consolidated all our thin/zero clients under the brand Dell/Wyse |
| Tim M. | Our Dell rep recommended that we step into the Z90 series so we looked at one as an eval but the footprint is alot larger than the fx170. |
| Rafael - Dell | In fact last week we launched new thin client Citrix versions: Xenit 2 adn Xenit pro 2 |
| Chris Almond | After briefing at Citrix Synergy last week, I agree with Rafeal's comment "need to watch density" - this is key |
| Chris Almond | fundamentally, PvD, VMware Mirage, Unidesk, etc. are all solutions that add more complexity and potential for instability at scale |
| Rafael - Dell | Z90 is a mid to high tier thin client with high capabilities. We can get a thin client expert and get back to you |
| Dell TechCenter | @Tim - if you wanted to follow up with us, you can contact TechCenter @ enterprise_techcenter@dell.com and we can get a better answer for you |
| Tim M. | ok, thanks |
| Rafael - Dell | Chris, you are right but if you plan your architecture in advance you can avoid issues. We have a number of reference architectures that help to mitigate the rist when deploying components such as VMware, Unidesk etc. |
| Rafael - Dell | some reference architectures are available at: www.dell.com/virtualdesktops |
| Chris Almond | Do you know if Dell is partnering/reselling an Atlantis Computing ILIO based solution (yet)? |
| Rafael - Dell | one key elements of our platform is the fact that it is designed for various deliverable models. Support all the way from DYI to desktop as a service |
| Rafael - Dell | Atlantis is part of Dell S&P portfolio but it is not integrated into Desktop Virtualization Solutions |
| Chris Almond | Ok thx (howdy Lance!) |
| Dell TechCenter | Hi Chris :) long time no see |
| Chris Almond | FYI on this topic I've got an inquiry into our Dell team for more info on your just announced "DVS Enterprise Integrated Storage" |
| MichaelD | Is the Project Ophelia hardware still on schedule to ship this summer? |
| Chris Almond | ...a very smart offering IMO since DAS is the way to go for large scale VDI w/o incurring huge storage capex |
| Rafael - Dell | I believe there is much more to discuss. Let me close by saying that at Dell we are commited to supporting you in your desktop virtualization deployments and we have a end to end porfolio |
| Rafael - Dell | Project Ofelia is on track, we are very excited about this product |
| Dell TechCenter | @chris - awesome :) that's what we like to hear |
| Dell TechCenter | Thank you everybody for your great questions and feedback today |
| Dell TechCenter | unfortunately our experts have to run soon |
| Dell TechCenter | as always the transcript from the chat will be availble tomoorrow at www.delltechcenter.com/chat |
| Chris Almond | MichaelD - Ophelia is very interesting - saw Gartner guy giving his entire preso at Citrix Synergy using Ophelia based key to drive preso - he's experimenting w/it as super cheap way to do any device anywhere VDI |
| MichaelD | Thanks Rafael |
| Dell TechCenter | you can also ask us questions in our Dell Enterprise Client forum @ http://en.community.dell.com/techcenter/enterprise-client/f/default.aspx |
| Dell TechCenter | or if you have other questions feel free to drop us a line at enterprise_techcenter@dell.com |
| Rafael - Dell | thanks to all |
| Chris Almond | cheers! |
| Dell TechCenter | cheers everyone - see you at the next chat! |