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Revision 1 posted to TechCenter Chats - Wiki by DELL-Sheetal G on 5/29/2013 11:43:33 AM

  Dell TechCenter

welcome to the Dell Cloud Client computing chat

  Dell TechCenter

hello michael D

  MichaelD

Afternoon, how goes it

  Dell TechCenter

@MichaelD - going well, how about for your self?

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Hello Tim M

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Hello Tom

  MichaelD

Pretty good, trying to stay busy while waiting to deploy vCloud

  hypervfan

Hi

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We're getting set up on our side, please give us 3 minutes before we get started with our chat

  Dell TechCenter

First of all, how familiar are you all with Dell Desktop Virtualization ?

  MichaelD

Minimally, talked about the hosted (non-XenDesktop) solution some with our account rep a few months back.

  Dell TechCenter

@hyperfan - how about you Tom, do you deal much with Desktop Virtualization?

  hypervfan

Getting some questions about it, but for now the cost has been to high

  Dell TechCenter

I see.

  hypervfan

But always open for new solutions :)

  MichaelD

Cost is definitely a factor, best case scenario without sacrificing user experience you spend the same as giving out individual desktops.

  Dell TechCenter

Well today you'll both have a chance to learn more about Dell Desktop Virtualization

  Dell TechCenter

we have 2 Dell experts with us today

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Rafael is the Director of Marketing - Desktop Virtualization Solutions

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Rick is the Solutions development manager for Dell DVS

  Dell TechCenter

they'll be sharing a powerpoint presentation relating to Citrix XenDesktop, chatting with you guys today, and answering any questions you may have

  MichaelD

But the extra management tools you gain, and the ability to work from anywhere while keeping data in the DC is worth it IMO

  Dell TechCenter

with that I'll turn it over to Rafael, who will lead our chat today

  Rafael - Dell

Last week we had a very good show; one of our solution won the product of the year award

  Rafael - Dell

the award was one of many end to end Desktop Virtualization solutions launched

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@MichaelD - are you guys seriously considering a Desktop Virtualization solution, or just investigating at this point?

  MichaelD

We've had 100 virtual lab seats deployed for about 3 years now, plus a few one off pilots with other departments

  Dell TechCenter

@hypervfan - are many of your customers implementing Desktop Virtualization solutions?

  Rafael - Dell

Dell Cloud Client Computing is a team within Dell dedicated to Desktop Virtualization Solutions

  MichaelD

All using XenDesktop on XenServer; most likely moving to View this fall due to licensing costs.

  Rafael - Dell

good, we offer both alternatives XenDesktop and View.

  Rafael - Dell

The reason for considering migrating to View is only cost?

  hypervfan

More and more are looking into, for now mainly XenDesktop

  MichaelD

Yes, we had a committee see presentations by both vendors and they have decided the cost difference is too great to not switch.

  Rafael - Dell

We have seen an update in the adoption of Desktop Virtualization during the last months

  MichaelD

Even with adding Unidesk into the mix with View, the cost difference is over 50% less with View.

  Rafael - Dell

hyperfan, I agree with you. In the graphic you will se my view of the reason of this accelerated adoptoin

  MichaelD

From a tech perspective, I see both as good solutions.

  hypervfan

And quite a few of them choose to use Hyper-V as hypervisor for it

  Rafael - Dell

I agree, we offer both solutions and support what the customers need

  Rafael - Dell

We also support Hyper-V in fact next week you will see in TecEd some good MS server support announcements

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@MichaelD - interesting numbers. that's a big difference

  Rafael - Dell

Michael, are your plans to start with a small deployment and then scale up?

  Rafael - Dell

you can dee more details at dell.com/virtualdesktop

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www.dell.com/virtualdesktop

  MichaelD

Our plans are really driven by the demands of other business units and colleges.  This spring we started rolling out desktops to one of our administrative units and hope to see more of that in the future.

  Rafael - Dell

we see that some of the most relevant benefits of desktop virtualization are security and primarly optimization of IT resources

  MichaelD

@Dell TechCenter - We were expecting some cost difference, but more in the 1-5% area.

  Dell TechCenter

hello cmendoza, thanks for joining. you can see our entire chat up to this point by scrolling up

  Rafael - Dell

Michael, you are right, we see this behavior in many of our engagements. Start small and then scale up

  MichaelD

A key driver for our initial deployment of VDI was the H1N1 flu scare a few years back. We didn't want sick students going to class/campus, but also didn't want to prevent them from getting their classwork done.

  Rafael - Dell

that is why we created the Integrated sotorage solution. It is a low cost solution based on a single R720

  cmendoza@paqinc.com

hello to all

  Dell TechCenter

@MichaelD - sounds like you got a sweetheart discount

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@MichaelD - that's a very cool story & use case

  Rafael - Dell

Michel this is a very good driver of adoption. Prevention of natural disasters are always a reason to consider VDI

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@Rafael - besides disasters, what are some other adoption drivers for Desktop Virtualization ?

  Rafael - Dell

the integrated storage solution announced last week was created to address the needs of customers that want to start small and then grow to high volume deployments

  Tim M.

As part of the Quest acquisition, do you have any free tools that we can run on a VM to see what apps might not play well in a VDI environment?  Such as those that are high on the IOPs or CPU intensive?

  MichaelD

We've had a few hiccups along the way, but mostly with applications (licensing largely, many vendors are ignorant to VDI) and the XenServer hypervisor.

  Rafael - Dell

In a single server we integrate the manegement and VDI VMs

  Rafael - Dell

Tim. Typically If the manufacturer of the application certify it into an hypervisor. I am not aware of any tool that allow to do that

  Tim M.

ok....our implementation right now is a one to one basis so our apps are installed on the VM.

  MichaelD

Citrix's AppDNA might be what you're looking for if it's not an inhouse app. - http://www.citrix.com/products/appdna/overview.html

  MichaelD

but it's only valid for Citrix Solutions

  Rafael - Dell

For non persisten environmnets this is correct. one to one relation is good for persistent environments

  MichaelD

What has been Dell's experience using Citrix's Personal Virtual Disks introduced with XD-5 ?

  Tim M.

We are running Win7 VMs but we ran into a problem with the VHDs growing with an idle OS so we have some lessons learned.

  Rafael - Dell

PV disk allows persistentcy so you can allocate personal storage to each user. Our experience is positive.. need to watch density

  Rafael - Dell

Typically we deplloy PV disk volumes in tier two storage

  Rafael - Dell

one of the main issues we have seen with VDI deployments is the complexity of managing many components of the

  Rafael - Dell

so we created a pre-configured pre-tested solutions that are easier to deploy

  Rafael - Dell

this graphic represents the components of our Cloud Client Computing solution.

  Rafael - Dell

servers, storage and networking combined with Dell Wyse end points, virtualization software and services

  Tim M.

Is anyone familiar with the Wyse terminals?  Non-VDI related....We use them running Windows Embedded for kiosk solutions.  The pricing of them though sure is pretty high.  We used the Dell fx170 and those were really compact and got the job done.

  Rafael - Dell

good to hear that you are using Dell products. With the acquisition of Wyse we consolidated all our thin/zero clients under the brand Dell/Wyse

  Tim M.

Our Dell rep recommended that we step into the Z90 series so we looked at one as an eval but the footprint is alot larger than the fx170.

  Rafael - Dell

In fact last week we launched new thin client Citrix versions: Xenit 2 adn Xenit pro 2

  Chris Almond

After briefing at Citrix Synergy last week, I agree with Rafeal's comment "need to watch density" - this is key

  Chris Almond

fundamentally, PvD, VMware Mirage, Unidesk, etc. are all solutions that add more complexity and potential for instability at scale

  Rafael - Dell

Z90 is a mid to high tier thin client with high capabilities. We can get a thin client expert and get back to you

  Dell TechCenter

@Tim - if you wanted to follow up with us, you can contact TechCenter @ enterprise_techcenter@dell.com and we can get a better answer for you

  Tim M.

ok, thanks

  Rafael - Dell

Chris, you are right but if you plan your architecture in advance you can avoid issues. We have a number of reference architectures that help to mitigate the rist when deploying components such as VMware, Unidesk etc.

  Rafael - Dell

some reference architectures are available at: www.dell.com/virtualdesktops

  Chris Almond

Do you know if Dell is partnering/reselling an Atlantis Computing ILIO based solution (yet)?

  Rafael - Dell

one key elements of our platform is the fact that it is designed  for various deliverable models. Support all the way from DYI to desktop as a service

  Rafael - Dell

Atlantis is part of Dell S&P portfolio but it is not integrated into Desktop Virtualization Solutions

  Chris Almond

Ok thx (howdy Lance!)

  Dell TechCenter

Hi Chris :) long time no see

  Chris Almond

FYI on this topic I've got an inquiry into our Dell team for more info on your just announced "DVS Enterprise Integrated Storage"

  MichaelD

Is the Project Ophelia hardware still on schedule to ship this summer?

  Chris Almond

...a very smart offering IMO since DAS is the way to go for large scale VDI w/o incurring huge storage capex

  Rafael - Dell

I believe there is much more to discuss. Let me close by saying that at Dell we are commited to supporting you in your desktop virtualization deployments and we have a end to end porfolio

  Rafael - Dell

Project Ofelia is on track, we are very excited about this product

  Dell TechCenter

 @chris - awesome :) that's what we like to hear

  Dell TechCenter

Thank you everybody for your great questions and feedback today

  Dell TechCenter

unfortunately our experts have to run soon

  Dell TechCenter

as always the transcript from the chat will be availble tomoorrow at www.delltechcenter.com/chat

  Chris Almond

MichaelD - Ophelia is very interesting - saw Gartner guy giving his entire preso at Citrix Synergy using Ophelia based key to drive preso - he's experimenting w/it as super cheap way to do any device anywhere VDI

  MichaelD

Thanks Rafael

  Dell TechCenter

you can also ask us questions in our Dell Enterprise Client forum @ http://en.community.dell.com/techcenter/enterprise-client/f/default.aspx

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or if you have other questions feel free to drop us a line at enterprise_techcenter@dell.com

  Rafael - Dell

thanks to all

  Chris Almond

cheers!

  Dell TechCenter

cheers everyone - see you at the next chat!

 


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